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Latest post 03-15-2009 8:32 PM by Kodas Mom. 11 replies.
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  • 03-12-2009 7:54 AM

    Flea & Tick Conversation

    Have you used conventional or natural flea & tick products with your dog? There are pros and cons to each type of treatment approach, and many people are not familiar with natural alternatives to Frontline, Advantix, and other chemical products, and also may not know of the health risks that come along  with them. What has worked (or not worked) for your dog’s flea and tick situation? If you have any thoughts, experiences, questions, or advice to share, please join the discussion and help others decide whether natural insect control is a good choice for their canine companion.

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  • 03-12-2009 11:03 AM In reply to

    • debb
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    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    I have found that Avon Skin So Soft (dark green bottle,yellow cap)outdoor bug repellent (kid safe) has worked the best on both of my dogs-1 7 pound min-pin-pom and a 107  pound bullmastiff.  We live out in the country, have cattle, fields, woods and streams.  THis product has not failed us yet. very satisfied.  its kid safe, so I feel safe using it on the min-pin-pom.  Neither of them have had any reactions to it, nor have they carried any critters in from the outdoors. 

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  • 03-13-2009 12:18 AM In reply to

    Cool [H] Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    Thanks for the advice on the Avon. How often do you apply this to your large dog? and do you have any residue problems from the oil? I have tryed several different things with my 6 month, 60 lbs (so far) purebred samoyed.  I do really like a product call Mad about organics it works well but only for about a 5 to 7 day's.  It is applied topically just like frontline but with a white long haired dog it stains his coat and the oils attracts lot's of dirt so needless to say he has a yellow dirty streak. I use to be an Avon rep years ago and the bug repellent works great on us.

    Thanks 

  • 03-13-2009 3:16 AM In reply to

    • debb
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    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    the spray i use does not leave a residue at all-the bug repellent is not as oily as the regular skin so soft product.  I spray her about every three to four days in the summer when the bugs are out in full force.  I used to have a husky and used the regular skin so soft oil on him and that worked well too-but he hated the odor/smell.  i use cloth collars on my dogs, so i always make sure i rub the product on the inside as well as outside of the collars, kind of like having them wear those awful flea collars-without the toxins....i also give her (10) tablets a day of brewers yeast with garlic in it, they claim not only is it good for their digestion, it also gives off something thru their skin that the bugs dont like-i still use the skin so soft as well tho-since it works, i am not really willing to take the chance of not having any spray on her, and having bugs!
    take care.....
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  • 03-13-2009 2:18 PM In reply to

    • swyatt2
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    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    Doesn't the Skin So Soft outdoor repellant have DEET in it? I have heard of using SSO, but only the regular one.

    Susie
  • 03-14-2009 1:41 AM In reply to

    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    The Skin So Soft Bug Guard Plus contains an ingredient called Picaridin which is a deet alternative.  This is widely used in Europe and is very effective.  However, they do not list what the other 90% of the ingredients are and I am not sure if Picaridin is a chemical or plant based.  I am going to do some more research on this before I put it on my dog.  Hey, thanks for bringing this up.  I do know that Avon uses alot of chemicals in most of their products.  If anyone is interested I'll post my research when I'm done.  Thanks again for bringing this to my attention:)

  • 03-14-2009 10:35 AM In reply to

    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    Picaridin for those that are interested is a chemical that consists of hydroxyethyl,piperidinecarboxylic acid and methylpropyl ester.

    It was manufactured as a Insect Repellent against biting flies, mosquitoes, chiggers, ticks, and fleas.It has a low acute oral, dermal and inhalation toxicity.

    The product has had extensive study and has never shown any evidence of maternal toxicity and no evidence that Picaridin is an endocrine disruptor and has shown no toxicologically significant effects in animal studies and not likely to be a human carcinogen.

    Chronic Toxicity and Carcinogenic systemic an dermal irritation testing by EPA as it pertains to dogs reveals

    No observable adverse effects or toxicity at tested levels

    Highest Dose Tested (EPA) =200 mg/kg/day

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  • 03-14-2009 1:16 PM In reply to

    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    Thanks Call of the dog for the info.  I also pulled the EPA's fact sheet on this product and he is dead on.  This being a chemical no matter how safe they think it is, I will not be using it on my dog.  Much better probably than deet though for us.  I live in the pacific northwest and we are in the cascades most weeks where the mosquito's can be really bad at certain times of the year.  I am going to try a product I have that's from Ark Naturals for mosquito's here in the spring It's called Neem Protect Spray.  The active ingredients are: Neem oil, Citronella oil, Celery seed oil, and Eucalypyus oil. I have tried this for flea's and It works well, it's the smell that we have a hard time with.  Very strong. If any of you have used this, please let me know what you think or if you have tried any other all natural products for biting bugs.  THANKS.Big Smile

     

  • 03-14-2009 1:40 PM In reply to

    • swyatt2
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    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    I have heard that Skin So Soft, the plain version, works well, but is quite oily and attracts dirt. I have also heard that the neem oil preparations work well, but the smell is awful.

    Someone on this site mentioned something about "orange-glo" or something that sounded similar. I wonder how that works?

    Susie
  • 03-14-2009 1:47 PM In reply to

    • swyatt2
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    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    I found it! The product is called Orange Dog, and is listed under "fleas Season" on New Dogs on the Block. There is a website posted as well.

    Susie
  • 03-15-2009 3:48 PM In reply to

    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    For an effective and natural flea and tick repellant cut two lemons into quarters and place in a dish that can take boilong water and cover the lemmon in boiling water. Place covered so the moisture can not escape and let the contents sit over night.
    the next day you have a flea repellent to be used with a spray bottle.Or you can mix a 50/50 solution of apple cider vinagar as a spray solution. Avoid the eyes, nose and genitals but spray away from behind the ears to the tip of the tail and arm pits. A teaspoon of apple cider vinegar in your dog water if they do not mind it and many do not, will make the skin more acidic and very unappealing to both ticks and fleas.

  • 03-15-2009 8:32 PM In reply to

    Re: Flea & Tick Conversation

    This sounds very easy and interesting.  So how often do you reapply the diluted lemon and does the acidity dry out the coat & skin? With Samoyeds you have to be very careful, they are prone to very dry skin.  I don't think I could handle a dog that smells like vinegar:)

    Thanks

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